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I wanted to do a cut with an ECA stack after my blueprint run but I heard that some people have died because of aspirin?Jet li died from aspirin.Is it dangerous?

As far as I thought, everything in this stack is fine aslong as you dont overdose?EG go over 100mg of ephedrine a day.

Dont tell Jet Li he is dead he may kick you in the throat since he is still alive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Li

I personally wouldn't go over 25mg of ephedra I think 100gms is insane and I say dont do it.

If you insist on trying it then start at a low does 10mg of Ehedpra and 100MG of Caffeine, i think the aspirin has kinda been debunked as adding anything to the stack. The 20/200 ratio is about the max effective single dose and at that you'll get tachy, Be careful

Proceed with any of these ingredient with caution. Even ordinary caffeine. Best to visit your doc to rule out any pre-existing conditions. Expect "the lecture" if you tell him why you're doing it.

Agree with Hank; aspirin isn't necessary and potentially harmful. Suggest consuming with Grapefruit juice/narginin which is a bitter component of the peel. Extends half life/intensification effect.

Don't stress over the carbs in GF juice. Grapefruit is a mild diuretic in and of itself and will remove more than it's weight in water...

Hank! wrote:Dont tell Jet Li he is dead he may kick you in the throat since he is still alive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Li

I personally wouldn't go over 25mg of ephedra I think 100gms is insane and I say dont do it.

If you insist on trying it then start at a low does 10mg of Ehedpra and 100MG of Caffeine, i think the aspirin has kinda been debunked as adding anything to the stack. The 20/200 ratio is about the max effective single dose and at that you'll get tachy, Be careful

I wasnt going to go anywhere near that.Just heard that going over that=quite bad.

Alright thanks.

Found some low doesed epedrine buts its kinda of an annoying dose, 8mg.Any higher is in an ECA stack with some other stuff.

And can only find the caffeine in 200mgs.

So to start with id go low but eventually id work up to 40mg epedrine(5 pill)and 400mgs caffeine(2 pills) This is 1:10 but its kinda high...

Is that too much?How would I space it out throughout the day and seeing as you said its too much with 8mg pills and 200mg pills.

DaCookie wrote:Found some low doesed epedrine buts its kinda of an annoying dose, 8mg.Any higher is in an ECA stack with some other stuff.

And can only find the caffeine in 200mgs.

So to start with id go low but eventually id work up to 40mg epedrine(5 pill)and 400mgs caffeine(2 pills) This is 1:10 but its kinda high...

Is that too much?How would I space it out throughout the day and seeing as you said its too much with 8mg pills and 200mg pills.

there is a fairly comprehensive guide on EC use here : https://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm

I don't think that site advertises any products, sorry if it does Rob!

I have used EC many times. Its perfectly safe if you're not stupid with it.

I would usually just take each dose with a dose of high potency fish oil

Thanks man, found the dosing.

Dosing based on 8 mg ephedrine HCL pills

Note: 1E = One 8 mg ephedrine HCL pill

I am assuming caffeine tablets of 200 mg.

The caffeine tablets do not break in half well, approximate is fine.

A pill splitter works well on the ephedrine (can get at any pharmacy).

Day 1 - This day you just take 1 dose to test whether you are hypersensitive to ephedrine (very rare). The dose will be 1 E .5C
- symptoms of fast heart rate, and slight jitters are typical - like the feeling you get from having a lot of coffee.

Day 2-3 - You take 3 doses of 1 E .5C minimum 4 hours apart. I suggest keeping it so your last dose is at least 6 hours away from your bedtime.

Day 4-6 - Your dosing will be 2E 1C, 1E .5C, 1E .5C

Day 7-9 - 2E 1C, 2E 1C, 1E .5C

Day 9-11 - 2E 1C 3x/day

Day 12-14 - 3E 1C, 3E 1C, 2E 1C

Day 15 and onward - 3E 1C 3x/day

Appreciate the perspectives here so let me share a few anecdotes.

I've been using ephedrine since the late 80's. This goes for everything from the original Dymetadrine 25, all of the generics, the big pharma brands with and without guafenesin etc..

It also goes for every herbal EPHEDRA extract you can imagine including EPH 833 (also AST research's), Original Ultimate Orange, NVE's original line carried here by MASS in the early 90's, Burn It Up when it had effy from Sida Cordifolia, bulk 8% extract from Beyond a Century, the old Kilosports etc..

So 20+ years of use has brought me to this realization: We've all been lied to.

That's right. Used responsibly the stuff is absolute gold and the powers that be know it. It also boosts your HDL's better than virtually any other product out there. Of course, you'd never know this by listening to the news.

Back in the day, I bought 250 tabs of 25mg pure ephedrine for $8 (1993) from the gas station. Once big gov't got the scare tactic engine cranked up, they used the Patriot Act to severly limit your right to use it. That's right, they used the PATRIOT ACT under the guise of TERRORISM to back door nearly ban it. Today, you're lucky if you can find it for $1 a PILL at anything other than a pharmacy. Of course, ephedra (the herb) they tried banning outright. OK to sell the pharmaceutical though b/c the drug companies make their money. That would the $1 pill version..

It's not something you'd want your kids to get into, sure. But to demonize it like they did was flat out wrong. The gov't commissioned Rand study that led to banning it cited one "fatality" of a user who took some and was later decapitated in an auto accident. That's right, that was attributed to Ephedrine.

End of rant.

Good read.

Theres always going to be one stupid person who over does it.Things like this are okay in moderation but some people can and will over do it literally just because they feel like it and have little common sense.Hell even people do this with other things like roids even though they know that for example they will get 10 times worse side affects and maybe only a few % more positive affects.

The wise people will prosper, while the idiots will continually get done up the ass by supplement/drug companies.

Worth noting that in 1993 I was only 2

And bodybuilding has never been big in Ireland like it has been in America.Even today its not, more of a rise in stupid "health conscious" people here definitely though.Some of our laws are pure bull, and our supplements are pure crap.My dad was taking a fish oil which didnt even list its DHA and EPA, 1000mg fish oil with something like 220 fatty acids.Also claimed crap about garlic but when you checked the label it only had 6mgs per dose...overpriced too.I moved him onto NOW super epa and NOW garlic.Works out much cheaper, much higher dosed.

Good man. Yeah, the laws are stupid. Consider the following:

If I line up a bottle of aspirin, a bottle of caffeine pills, a bottle of Vodka, a bottle of tylenol and a bottle of Andro and I said.. "which one could my son swallow the whole bottle of and I'd be sure he didn't die"?

I'd pick the andro, and so would any good doctor.

The aspirin? He'd burn a whole in his stomach and bleed to death. Caffeine pills? Are you kiddding? Caffeine poisoning and not a pleasant exit. The Vodka? Coma at the very least. The tylenol? Goodbye liver.

And the andro? Some mild flushing...maybe an upset stomach. Yet, andro is illegal in the U.S. and you can buy any and all of the others at virtually any corner drug store.

Something to think about..

I don't think I dare get in on this discussion... because I'll get on a big old soap box and never shut up.

Rob what do you think is the minimum age to do a cycle of phs/the harder stuff?

Never.

I'm just being honest. With the gains possible now given Blueprint plus RCE adaptogens and a test booster... I don't see the need.

That and the side effect/risk profile isn't where it needs to be. Most of the new PH's aren't strong enough, so the risk/reward ratio is all out of what.

It's not like 1AD is still around....

That wasnt really the answer I wanted to hear