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Although these warning letters cite powdered caffeine, the FDA took careful measure to say it applied to ALL of their products. According to the FDA regulations 111’s for dietary supplements you need a BOAT LOAD of documents. You need a boatload of lab tests. Every single one of these supplements that the vendor is selling on their site must be tested for strength, composition, and purity. FOR EVERY SINGLE BATCH MANUFACTURED.

You need master manufacturing records and batch product records. You need lab certifications and lab analysis. And that is just scratching the surface.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for true to label supps. But MASS was true to label before true to label was cool. Now, you've got some of the bad apples infecting the entire crop. Not going to end well for these companies, can see many of them going out of business..


Here are the warning letters if you want to see them.

https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementAct ... 460203.htm

https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementAct ... 460201.htm

https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementAct ... 460204.htm

https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementAct ... 460208.htm

https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementAct ... 460200.htm

I zeroed in on one statement that really irritated me:

"Furthermore, many consumers do not have a scale that is sufficiently precise to accurately measure such a small amount."

Is this really the fault of the supplier? I can agree that the suppliers need to be careful with X volume = X weight claims, but the above argument is insane.

o sht, Rob, I have some opinions :)

Health first BBr’s should, as a group, avoid anhydrous caffeine products on their own. While the substance does drive some seemingly very helpful processes - intra-session performance, enhanced supp uptake, fat burning, etc. etc. - these benefits are short term AND they are not outweighed by long term metabolic and CNS costs.

BBr’s of all types and ages, as a group, should be able to avoid ‘chinese’ crap, etc, etc. and modulate dosing of substances on their own ... with no help from the fkn government. Those notices are more about controlling small businesses for the pharms than they are to protect ‘consumers’.
So re:

Coach Rob wrote:... Now, you've got some of the bad apples infecting the entire crop. Not going to end well for these companies, can see many of them going out of business..

- there is nothing to keep them from fabricating all kinds of trouble for mass, and make it not "going to end well" the none "bad apples"etc etc.

i.e. don’t get me started on the fda https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014 ... th-murder/

thicketman wrote:I zeroed in on one statement that really irritated me:

"Furthermore, many consumers do not have a scale that is sufficiently precise to accurately measure such a small amount."

Is this really the fault of the supplier? I can agree that the suppliers need to be careful with X volume = X weight claims, but the above argument is insane.

Right on. The public can't be trusted to accurately weigh stuff. So why do they sell scales to consumers in the first place? Should they get banned/threaten the companies that sell them too?

Because we know that plenty of non weightlifters use scales for different powders, the illegal kind. That's drug paraphinalia.

See? They can and will keep this going until these guys are out of business..