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Upper body squat, you say?
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:22 pm
by beefcake66
Title: Pullovers: bad exercise for the pecs, but good for the triceps
https://ergo-log.com/pullovers-bad-exerc ... iceps.html
....I would just like to know what weights they used for the exercises...
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:19 am
by RobRegish
Good find Beefer, I'm off to read.
Personally, I feel it quite a bit in my pecs but admit the long head of the triceps is what it HAMMERS lol.
I think it depends on how you perform it, whether you use a DB, EZ curl bar etc. Back in a bit to offer my $.05...
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:33 am
by RobRegish
While I admit this study is hard to argue with, I strongly suspect there's more at play here than meets the eye.
For example: Cold, hard data tells us the leg press delivers more overload than the squat, due to the higher amount of weight that can be used. But in the real world, squats = better results.
That and the loaded stretch component of this exercise cannot be under-estimated, especially if you're still young. MANY a trainee (including myself) feel strongly it expanded their rib cage, when performed after 20 rep breathing squats.
Recall the study in 2.0 I dug up re: how loaded stretches = growth? As another arrow in your quiver, loaded stretch position movements are fantastic, IMO. Besides, nobody's saying it's either/or. You can and should bench, perform pullovers, dips etc as part of a comprehensive program.
But Beefer, I can't tell you how much this was APPRECIATED. It's members like you that set this board apart from many of the others. QUALITY, over quantity any day.
You, Brain, Matter etc are at the tip of the spear...
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:12 am
by beefcake66
I still employ loaded stretch techniques after my main lifts... I do the ezbar pullovers right after my bench pressing
I can only do half the weight with the pullover than I can with the bench press though.
I read an article the other day saying that chest Dips were the *BEST* chest builder... there's just too many options :p I can't perform dips in my gym though... yet...
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:48 am
by RobRegish
Keep hammering away at it Ang, you'll get there!
Do they have an assisted dip machine there? You could always start with negatives, or make your own assisted dip with a mini-band. Same trick works with chins..
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:33 am
by beefcake66
I workout in my basement, so my equipment is pretty limited. I'm looking into investing in a Leg Press/Hack Squat machine and finding a way to do dips soon. May mount some handles on the wall.
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:09 am
by RobRegish
beefcake66 wrote:I workout in my basement, so my equipment is pretty limited. I'm looking into investing in a Leg Press/Hack Squat machine and finding a way to do dips soon. May mount some handles on the wall.
PLEASE don't get a leg press, very bad for the lower back. and instead of that hack squat, please look into the Ironmind Hip Belt, along with 15 inch olympic loading pin.
Not only does it cost less, it's BETTER. Way better!! Trust me Beefer...
https://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencm ... home4.html
https://www.ironmind-store.com/15-Olympi ... fo/1314-C/
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:22 am
by bigpelo
This is the exact tower I bought 2 years ago and on which I do my dips (and chin and pull and row and L-sits and you get the point)
https://www.amazon.ca/Stamina-50-1690-Po ... ower+tower
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:08 am
by RobRegish
Looks solid big man, though I'd wish for pronated grip on chins. I can only imagine what you're dipping with?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:03 pm
by beefcake66
RobRegish wrote:beefcake66 wrote:I workout in my basement, so my equipment is pretty limited. I'm looking into investing in a Leg Press/Hack Squat machine and finding a way to do dips soon. May mount some handles on the wall.
PLEASE don't get a leg press, very bad for the lower back. and instead of that hack squat, please look into the Ironmind Hip Belt, along with 15 inch olympic loading pin.
Not only does it cost less, it's BETTER. Way better!! Trust me Beefer...
https://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencm ... home4.html
https://www.ironmind-store.com/15-Olympi ... fo/1314-C/
I'm mainly getting the leg press so I can do one leg at a time... after my knee surgery I won't be able to do any leg exercises, aside from a leg press or single leg work with my good leg... and I don't trust my balance enough to try those.
That looks like it may just fit in my basement. But the pullup part wouldnt work... there's just under 7 feet (84") of clearance and that's 81.5" tall.
I was looking at this for dipping:
https://fitnessavenue.ca/item.php?id=532
gonna grab me this at the same time:
https://fitnessavenue.ca/item.php?id=510
Surgery Recovery time = neck and arm training like whoaaaa