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beefcake66 wrote:Alright Rob I got a few quick questions about my next run's famine phase!

I may make a new log... or just keep using this one.

You know my plan to do the detox/cleanse thing (I got all my stuff together for it too!); but I'm also wanting to throw some AM cardio in ASAP... so as soon as I begin Famine.

This is what it's (potentially) gonna look like:

5am: 2.5mg Yohimbine HCL (tapering up 2.5 each day until I hit 5-6 caps) + 200mg caffeine (may start at 100mg and taper up as well) + 500mg Tyrosine (would 1000mg be better?)... then sipping on some Mate tea as I do the cardio.

9am: start drinking the maple water (carbs blunt/kill the Yohimbine effect); 8mg Ephedrine + 100mg caffeine + 500mg (or 1000mg?) Tyrosine(tapering EC stack up

A. Yohimbine HCL is problematic enough. To throw E/C into this isn't advised. Take that for what it's worth

A. Be wary of the Yohimbine HCL. Please see this exerpt from the BP:

Yohimbe is NOT something you want to "play around" with. It's one of the few nutraceuticals that has an unpredictable dose/response curve that varies in the general population.

Too much Yohimbe in any form is not a pleasant experience. Think shivers and waves of goosebumps accompanied by a feeling of nausea. NO fun.

However, done right it is a super effective thermogenic with unique fat loss and energy enhancing properties, among other more personal, potential benefits.

I recently ordered some YOHIMBE SUPREME as part of a big promotion over here. I had used this one many years ago, and wanted to re-visit.

"ACTIVES" VARY WIDELY

To review, Yohimbe contains DOZENS of different alkaloids. I suspect this is why it is so problematic insofar as getting a consistent response in the general population. Source material for full spectrum products varies, but in general you'll find 3 used: Pausinystalia yohimbe, Corynanthe yohimbe or variations of the

Rauwolfia plant. Yohimbe bark has been reported to contain up to 6% total
alkaloids, 5-15% of which is yohimbine. In effect, a small amount of actual
Yohimbe HCL is found in the bark of the yohimbe tree. But there are other alkaloids present in full spectrum products.
For example, the bark of yohimbe contains about 6% yohimbine, as well the other alkaloids of ajmaline, allo-yohimbine, corynantheidine, corynantheine, dihydrocorynantheine, pseudoyohimbine, quebrachine, and
tetrahydromethylcorynanthein. It also contains tannins.

The popular opinion is that "full spectrum" Yohimbe feels "dirty" and Yohimbe HCL is cleaner, with its alkaloid content narrowed. For every other single full spectrum product I've tried (and I've tried many), that has been true. Straight Yohimbe HCL did feel cleaner, but by no means does it feel especially "clean".

YOHIMBE SUPREME lists "full spectrum" actives as a 10:1 extract of
Pausinystalia Yohimbe extract in a sublingual base. "Uh oh", I thought. "Need to be careful with this one".

COMPARISON

I subjectively compared this product to 2 others; 1.) straight Yohimbe HCL (pure white, bulk material) and 2.) full spectrum Yohimbe Extract 2%/6% (brown powder). The 2% refers to "Yohimbe (HPLC)" and the 6% to "total alkaloids". I was careful to use comparable mg amounts of each.

NOTES

YOHIMBE SUPREME (for me) delivers a consistent, smooth ride unlike any
other full spectrum Yohimbe I've ever used. I honestly don't know why. This is sheer speculation, but I suspect it has something to do with the source plant and retaining "natures fingerprint" i.e. not overly concentrating on standardizing for a certain % of yohimbe HCL vs. other actives.

It works better (and differently) than its counterparts. The label is deceiving. The only giveaway is the tag line which reads "The ONE that works like no other".

Like all Muscle And Sports Science products, it subjectively works differently than its counterparts available elsewhere. You get the distinct feeling that somebody knows something, but on label alone its difficult to tell what that something is. That's probably by design in this marketplace. Lots of copycats out there trying to steal winning formulas.

This product isn’t for everyone. In fact, I'd say it serves certain niche audiences.

You can certainly buy straight Yohimbe HCL and other "full spectrum" Yohimbe cheaper and "feel" it. I don’t like what I feel with those, though. IMO, the big advantage YOHIMBE SUPREME brings to the table is predictability. Very consistent from dose to dose whereas the other "full spectrum" products felt wildly different from day to day, with the same mg dose.

To be fair, straight Yohimbe HCL was more consistent than other full spectrum products, but not YOHIMBE SUPREME.

For those of you wanting to take it up a notch, you might want to consider giving it a whirl. The strength (and low dose needed to realize an effect) leads to a single purchase lasting a LONG time.

Please chime in with your experiences on our forum with this or any other
Yohimbe product you've used. I'd be very interested in your observations.

Since I'm starting Sunday and I have Monday off work that's 2 days where the times wont be THAT early... I'll still space my doses 4-5 hours apart though (never less than 4).

Are there any supps you suggest I take pre-workout?

I will continue with the YC and EC stack throughout my entire run, I read up that Tyrosine makes the effects of these stacks last better/longer. I'll add in my HumanaSport (ecdy) sup and I'll probably take BCAA's (Xtend) regularily in no high amounts just because it's easier for me that way... When I remember the other goodies I have in stock I'll post em up too

A. Contra-indicated in Famine. Save these for Feast/Cruise.

EDIT: I picked up Lecithin caps... 1200mg a piece I think. How should I dose these?

A. Granuals are a much better buy but consider 2-3 at every meal.

EDIT 2: I think I'll hold off of these other supplements until my Feast phase begins. I'm doing a detox/cleanse... less pills the better!

A. Smart move

Well.. for future reference: Which of these are alright to use during famine?


RK500 Xtreme - Raspberry Ketones 500mg (should be okay?)

A. OK

Reduce XT - 50mg 7-Alpha-Hydroxy-Dehydoepiandrosterone & 7-Beta-Hydroxy-Dehydoepiandrosterone (this is probably a no?)

A. No, contra indicated.

Phenibut XT - B-Phenyl-G-Aminobutyric Acid 500mg (like GABA)

A. OK, but if you've never used it... beware. It's easy to get addicted to

Agmatine - byproduct of the amino acid arginine

RobRegish wrote:

beefcake66 wrote:Alright Rob I got a few quick questions about my next run's famine phase!

I may make a new log... or just keep using this one.

You know my plan to do the detox/cleanse thing (I got all my stuff together for it too!); but I'm also wanting to throw some AM cardio in ASAP... so as soon as I begin Famine.

This is what it's (potentially) gonna look like:

5am: 2.5mg Yohimbine HCL (tapering up 2.5 each day until I hit 5-6 caps) + 200mg caffeine (may start at 100mg and taper up as well) + 500mg Tyrosine (would 1000mg be better?)... then sipping on some Mate tea as I do the cardio.

9am: start drinking the maple water (carbs blunt/kill the Yohimbine effect); 8mg Ephedrine + 100mg caffeine + 500mg (or 1000mg?) Tyrosine(tapering EC stack up

A. Yohimbine HCL is problematic enough. To throw E/C into this isn't advised. Take that for what it's worth

A. Be wary of the Yohimbine HCL. Please see this exerpt from the BP:
I read that part when you mentioned it earlier, and it's nothing new to me. I have the Yohimbine HCL, not Yohimbe bark, and it's not mixed with anything just straight up 2.5mg capsules. You can be rest assured I'm going to be staying safe with it. I've done a fair bit of research on YC and EC - I highly doubt I'll take the two together at the same time, but I've read many places that it's possible/effective/safe to take YC in the morning and an EC a few hours later. I may space them 6 hours apart to be extra safe though

Yohimbe is NOT something you want to "play around" with. It's one of the few nutraceuticals that has an unpredictable dose/response curve that varies in the general population.

Too much Yohimbe in any form is not a pleasant experience. Think shivers and waves of goosebumps accompanied by a feeling of nausea. NO fun.

However, done right it is a super effective thermogenic with unique fat loss and energy enhancing properties, among other more personal, potential benefits.

I recently ordered some YOHIMBE SUPREME as part of a big promotion over here. I had used this one many years ago, and wanted to re-visit.

"ACTIVES" VARY WIDELY

To review, Yohimbe contains DOZENS of different alkaloids. I suspect this is why it is so problematic insofar as getting a consistent response in the general population. Source material for full spectrum products varies, but in general you'll find 3 used: Pausinystalia yohimbe, Corynanthe yohimbe or variations of the

Rauwolfia plant. Yohimbe bark has been reported to contain up to 6% total
alkaloids, 5-15% of which is yohimbine. In effect, a small amount of actual
Yohimbe HCL is found in the bark of the yohimbe tree. But there are other alkaloids present in full spectrum products.
For example, the bark of yohimbe contains about 6% yohimbine, as well the other alkaloids of ajmaline, allo-yohimbine, corynantheidine, corynantheine, dihydrocorynantheine, pseudoyohimbine, quebrachine, and
tetrahydromethylcorynanthein. It also contains tannins.

The popular opinion is that "full spectrum" Yohimbe feels "dirty" and Yohimbe HCL is cleaner, with its alkaloid content narrowed. For every other single full spectrum product I've tried (and I've tried many), that has been true. Straight Yohimbe HCL did feel cleaner, but by no means does it feel especially "clean".

YOHIMBE SUPREME lists "full spectrum" actives as a 10:1 extract of
Pausinystalia Yohimbe extract in a sublingual base. "Uh oh", I thought. "Need to be careful with this one".

COMPARISON

I subjectively compared this product to 2 others; 1.) straight Yohimbe HCL (pure white, bulk material) and 2.) full spectrum Yohimbe Extract 2%/6% (brown powder). The 2% refers to "Yohimbe (HPLC)" and the 6% to "total alkaloids". I was careful to use comparable mg amounts of each.

NOTES

YOHIMBE SUPREME (for me) delivers a consistent, smooth ride unlike any
other full spectrum Yohimbe I've ever used. I honestly don't know why. This is sheer speculation, but I suspect it has something to do with the source plant and retaining "natures fingerprint" i.e. not overly concentrating on standardizing for a certain % of yohimbe HCL vs. other actives.

It works better (and differently) than its counterparts. The label is deceiving. The only giveaway is the tag line which reads "The ONE that works like no other".

Like all Muscle And Sports Science products, it subjectively works differently than its counterparts available elsewhere. You get the distinct feeling that somebody knows something, but on label alone its difficult to tell what that something is. That's probably by design in this marketplace. Lots of copycats out there trying to steal winning formulas.

This product isn’t for everyone. In fact, I'd say it serves certain niche audiences.

You can certainly buy straight Yohimbe HCL and other "full spectrum" Yohimbe cheaper and "feel" it. I don’t like what I feel with those, though. IMO, the big advantage YOHIMBE SUPREME brings to the table is predictability. Very consistent from dose to dose whereas the other "full spectrum" products felt wildly different from day to day, with the same mg dose.

To be fair, straight Yohimbe HCL was more consistent than other full spectrum products, but not YOHIMBE SUPREME.

For those of you wanting to take it up a notch, you might want to consider giving it a whirl. The strength (and low dose needed to realize an effect) leads to a single purchase lasting a LONG time.

Please chime in with your experiences on our forum with this or any other
Yohimbe product you've used. I'd be very interested in your observations.

Since I'm starting Sunday and I have Monday off work that's 2 days where the times wont be THAT early... I'll still space my doses 4-5 hours apart though (never less than 4).

Are there any supps you suggest I take pre-workout?

I will continue with the YC and EC stack throughout my entire run, I read up that Tyrosine makes the effects of these stacks last better/longer. I'll add in my HumanaSport (ecdy) sup and I'll probably take BCAA's (Xtend) regularily in no high amounts just because it's easier for me that way... When I remember the other goodies I have in stock I'll post em up too

A. Contra-indicated in Famine. Save these for Feast/Cruise.
I should have worded this better... I meant as I continue my run (and move into feast/cruise) I'd be adding those supplements in, not during famine.... I rambled lol

EDIT: I picked up Lecithin caps... 1200mg a piece I think. How should I dose these?

A. Granuals are a much better buy but consider 2-3 at every meal.

EDIT 2: I think I'll hold off of these other supplements until my Feast phase begins. I'm doing a detox/cleanse... less pills the better!

A. Smart move

Well.. for future reference: Which of these are alright to use during famine?


RK500 Xtreme - Raspberry Ketones 500mg (should be okay?)

A. OK

Reduce XT - 50mg 7-Alpha-Hydroxy-Dehydoepiandrosterone & 7-Beta-Hydroxy-Dehydoepiandrosterone (this is probably a no?)

A. No, contra indicated.

Phenibut XT - B-Phenyl-G-Aminobutyric Acid 500mg (like GABA)

A. OK, but if you've never used it... beware. It's easy to get addicted to

Agmatine - byproduct of the amino acid arginine

A. No, contra-indicated.