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Speaking of suma...did thierman mention anything about zebutol when you talked to him a while back?

When's the writeup coming out?

Any anecdotal reports? What kind of results have you gotten from it?

Any hints about ingredients?

Very interesting approach. My problem with melatonin is that I quickly develop a tolerance to it. One week and it no longer works. And benadryl gives me crazy nightmares. This certainly sounds more therapeutic and healthy.

I find it notable that KA is the only ecdy with the full-levseins complex used in the studies. If you don't mind me asking, where is it sourced from? Siberia?

Just now saw this. For what its worth, a while ago I found a major bulk supplement supplier/laboratory that produces laxogenin. They seem like a legit outfit, providing certificates of analyses, and makes stuff for major companies (Optimum, MuscleTech, BSN, etc.) Laxogenin isn't currently listed on ...